| Author | Message | ||
| J_c_outdoors
Bluegill Username: J_c_outdoors Post Number: 127 Registered: 3-2009 Rating: N/A |
I have been playing with some payout matrix numbers and wanted to get your opinions on this one. 65 Paid Entries @ $200 Payout after polygraph. 1. $5000 2. $2500 3. $1250 4. $700 5. $550 6. $450 7. $400 8. $350 9. $300 10 $250 Would you fish an event with these payout numbers? Would you fish a series of 4 to 5 tournaments with these payout numbers? | ||
| Redskeeter
Moderator Username: Redskeeter Post Number: 1214 Registered: 8-2007  Rating: N/A |
Yes, if the boat count was actually 65+ KBD Fishing | ||
| Picklefork
Bluegill Username: Picklefork Post Number: 281 Registered: 12-2009 Rating: N/A |
Yes...but high likely hood that Oz would prolly rob us at the ramp.......... | ||
| Tomc
Bass Username: Tomc Post Number: 730 Registered: 12-2006  Rating: N/A |
Mark, Are you playing with the 90% at the ramp and throwing out the championship? I really don’t think JCO can compete with the trails that offer boats at the championship, so why try? If so, I think you are on the right track. JCO can separate from the other trails with large payback at the ramp. Try a low membership fee. I think you will pick up a lot of anglers that will fish several but maybe not all of the events. They fish one trail and then look for other events to fish. I think you could grab a lot of those entries. Find a niche and stick with it. Thanking the Lord, all day long --- tomc | ||
| Ozziefish
Lunker Username: Ozziefish Post Number: 1757 Registered: 8-2004  Rating: N/A |
I have my clubs ready...Hehehe I like the idea but like Billy said we need the turnout...Gas is climbing higher so folks are going to be very picky about where they spend there money...I'm glad I'm not in your shoes right now Mark but I will pray for you and JCO...I like it and plan on fishing it when I can. OzzieFish "Glory to GOD in the Highest" www.visionlure.com www.doublezzcustomlures.com | ||
| J_c_outdoors
Bluegill Username: J_c_outdoors Post Number: 128 Registered: 3-2009 Rating: N/A |
OK guys here is the scenario I have been working on for months, praying over for months trying to find some way to break free from the multitudes of competition for the mid $150 to $160 trails on the market. After hosting several larger events this season I feel we are ready to handle the work load, especially with a little help from my friends. (That would be you guys) I feel Diane and I run a very efficient two man operation and are up to the challenge. Here is what I am proposing for 2011-2012-2013, a three year commitment to stick to a plan without any major tweaking. This may sound nuts to you guys but I think this will work. New for this year will be some innovative changes that will hopefully pull us out of the sea of mid range entry trails that are currently flooding the North Texas area. What we are proposing for this season is one of two entry options. We would like to have your input in regards to these changes and which one you think would best suit our trail. Option 1: Minor League entry of $120 per team with a 1 in 5 payout at 85% for those who are new to bass tournaments or have not achieved the level of competition that many of those on the local tournament scene have achieved or simply do not wish to compete at the Major League $200 entry level. This series will run in conjunction with our Major League entries but will be a separate competition of its own. You cannot fish both tournaments but will have to choose your level of competition. What we will do is dispatch our Major League teams first with our Minor League teams immediately following. Minor League teams will compete against Minor League teams. Major League teams will compete against Major League teams. The goal of the Minor Leagues is to attract new anglers to competitive bass competition with hopes of them moving up to the Majors as they develop their skills. There will be structure in place to promote anglers from Minor to Major league such as if you win 2 Minor tournaments in a series then you will be expected to move up to the Majors the following season or if you place in the top 3 in 3 or more events you would move up the next season to the Majors. If you are a top 5 finisher in 4 events you would be expected to move up to the next level. This would keep the level of competition for our Minor League anglers fair and keep the more skilled anglers from dominating our up and comers. Ultimately we would like to see and would expect that most of our current anglers will be competing at the Major League level where the payouts are bigger but there are some who would benefit from competing at the Minor League level as they hone their angling skills. Minor League anglers would weigh in at 2:30 PM first flight with Major League anglers weighing in at 3:30 PM first flight. Both tournaments would have a $10 BB Option, had thought about combining the BB for both events but not sure if that is a good idea. We are considering going to full trailering events for 2011 with a designated start time and cut off time for two reasons. #1 Fuel prices #2 Low Water in North Texas lakes. It is currently a 4 foot drop from the dock to the deck of the boat at The Minnow Bucket. With that being said we would have to polygraph 100% regardless of entries just as we have been doing on Texoma. I am thinking of useing a sliding scale on number of boats to number of places paid for the Major League. 1-15 boats Pays 1 in 4 2-29 boats pays 1 in 5 30-65 boats pays 1 in 6 66-? boats pays 1 in 7 I am looking at four points qualifers for each division for AOY competition, tournaments 1-4. The fifth event will be conducted as an open tournament with it counting towards championship qualification only. Simple championship qualification fish 4 events and your elidgible. Championship will have a quaranteed $10,000 first place. All other championship payouts will come from the entries. This year the championship will be on Lake Texoma, we appear to be the only trail this year holding a championship on Texoma so that should help our numbers up North. Each years championship will be on a lake fished by one of the divisions during the spring season. I suggest Fork for 2012. I feel that we can draw those numbers on Fork with those payouts. Just doing the math 4 events at $200 + $10BB is $840 with a shot at some serious payouts. With only 30 boats the top pay is $2400 in the Majors. I am sure I am leaving something out but will add or edit when I figure out what it is. Please comment and field any and all questions. Feel free to call as well. Be Blessed in 2011 | ||
| J_c_outdoors
Bluegill Username: J_c_outdoors Post Number: 129 Registered: 3-2009 Rating: N/A |
Duh!!!! My phone number 214-773-5451 I am sure most of you guys have it. I am posting this on this site first because I trust you guys and I want to create a trail that we can all be proud of. I do not want to go the way of CABA, thats sad. | ||
| Picklefork
Bluegill Username: Picklefork Post Number: 282 Registered: 12-2009 Rating: N/A |
I"ll have to give that a lot of thought Mark.....rating anglers could get tricky. On the one hand I see what your trying to do... On the other hand I feel you will prolly get the same amount of over all entries...so the guys fishin the majors lose the donaters....maybe not....I would like to see the side pot continue. Tough call...getting entries up is critical for you and I am surprised that hasn't happened yet the way it is now...... | ||
| Tomc
Bass Username: Tomc Post Number: 731 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
To be honest, the minor league deal has “all season whining” written all over it. I would concentrate on building one solid trail and make sure not to spread yourself too thin chasing trails that are unproductive. Concentrate on promoting which trail or trials can be successful in a tight market. Keep it simple and easy for folks who may consider fishing JCO. The fewer questions people find themselves coming up with, the better. It did to me…… Since you are trying to separate JCO from the rest, $200 entry would do it. It’s gotta be better if it costs more. I mean that in a positive way. Straight 90% at the ramp and stick to it for 3 years, chunk the championship. When you get over 35-40 boats consistently, your posted payout results will turn heads. When you hit over 50 boats consistently, then you will have something special. 1st place money has to be real good. 1-5 payout is what the vast majority likes, no question about that. Most anglers want a shot at any check. They want their best chance at saying, “I got a check”. Lower membership fees to draw entries. The side pot deal can always be an option, because it only affects the folks who like it. More cash shown paid out in the results is always good. I just would not payout more than 1-10 on the side pot. Anglers getting in a side pot like to gamble. Letting guides fish is always going to be counterproductive as far as entries are concerned. That is why Bass Champs rules have a 30 day guide rule before every tournament entered. You might try the Mon-Friday off limits. It might hurt at a lake such as Fork at the get go, but is more than likely healthy for a trail in the long run, especially if the 1st place payout is over 5k. Thanking the Lord, all day long --- tomc | ||
| Redskeeter
Moderator Username: Redskeeter Post Number: 1215 Registered: 8-2007 Rating: N/A |
One division per lake would be much simpler IMHO.. Off limits like Champs--is good, no guides-is good. 200 bucks entry-is good, 50+ boats-is good. BIG PAYOUTS- is good. The guide deal will help pull new anglers to the trail.. Myself I don't care who fishes it, been fishing against those guys(guides) for years and won more than lost. But it can weigh heavy on outsiders wanting come in.. JM2C's KBD Fishing | ||
| J_c_outdoors
Bluegill Username: J_c_outdoors Post Number: 130 Registered: 3-2009 Rating: N/A |
All of our spring trails will have a 30 day guide rule for each event. Would love to do the off limits but today most guys are fishing working mans events. Not a big issue with lakes we visit once but lakes like Fork it would be an issue for our anglers. | ||
| Ozziefish
Lunker Username: Ozziefish Post Number: 1758 Registered: 8-2004 Rating: N/A |
Mark, This market is tuff for tournaments...too many 30 boat tournaments with crappy payouts! I like the idea of 4-5 events with larger entries and bigger top 10 payouts...Fishing past July is too much! Major/Minor events sounds like it may be too much work for you guys with most guys being Minors so the feild is larger and the majors get penalized and winning in Minors are forced to fish up when they don't want to because they're winning cash!... OzzieFish "Glory to GOD in the Highest" www.visionlure.com www.doublezzcustomlures.com | ||
| Ozziefish
Lunker Username: Ozziefish Post Number: 1759 Registered: 8-2004 Rating: N/A |
I'm more then happy to throw down my $100.00 to see you loser's crying when I beat the crap out of you jokes and take all your tear soaked cash!! Pay up you freakin sorry whinny loser jokes... (Fake Zeeter) OzzieFish "Glory to GOD in the Highest" www.visionlure.com www.doublezzcustomlures.com | ||
| Aggie96
Minnow Username: Aggie96 Post Number: 71 Registered: 9-2009 Rating: N/A |
I will fish the Minors while the others fish the Majors. I need all the help I can get. | ||
| Picklefork
Bluegill Username: Picklefork Post Number: 283 Registered: 12-2009 Rating: N/A |
Fake Zeeter..your so stupid...shite,you'd have to borrow 100 to through it down....only crie'n goin on will be you when no body will give you the money..hehehe..looser....hahahhahaha......... [the fake pickle].......wait a minute....I am pickle........ | ||
| Redskeeter
Moderator Username: Redskeeter Post Number: 1216 Registered: 8-2007 Rating: N/A |
I've had some conversations with several anglers from the Metro-mess recently about the 30-35 boat fields they've been seeing here [DFW]. Apparently they're ready to fish a Fork trail for a larger field of competition and bigger payouts. The idea of 90-100 boats really interest them, might be an oppertunity to draw a few more in with bigger payouts.. Just say'n KBD Fishing | ||
| Tomc
Bass Username: Tomc Post Number: 732 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
I have spoken to several folks who are coming back to Media Fork this year. BLT Fork will snag quite a few teams out there as well with their Sunday Trail. Thanking the Lord, all day long --- tomc | ||
| Tomc
Bass Username: Tomc Post Number: 733 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
I understand why you do this. Basically having no off limits like we have now suits me fine as it does the locals. The question is: How many more out of Metro and East teams could you draw over the course of 3 years if you ran Monday-Friday off limits for 3 full years? It takes at least a full year or so for anything to catch on in tournament fishing and for the word to get out. Most folks already know what they are fishing this year. I would concentrate on how many new anglers I could draw even if it was getting them there for just one or two of the spring trail. EDIT: Forgot to add.... How many of the local teams will be taking Monday thru Friday off to fish Champs in March? Most of them? All of them? Looking at your top 25 teams from the spring trail, how many teams are actually local? 1 Corey Maples / Aaron Walker 5 520.87 AOY 2 Chuck Turner / Mark Huffman 5 508.29 3 Derek Grier / Christine Ford 5 494.12 4 Randy Maxwell / Curtis Harrah 5 490.15 5 Steve Taylor / Chad Null 5 473.57 6 Paul Pearson / Garrett Pearson 5 488.60 7 James Mohler / Kevin Ligi 5 498 8 Ricky Nutt / Heath Nutt 5 382.70 9 Eric Wright / Robert Feagin 5 493.80 10 Troy Rossman / Troy Clemens 5 466.72 11 Ken Addinton / Dustin Hobbs 5 377.80 12 Mike Sanders / Blake Sanders 5 431.49 13 Ken Meager / Barbara Meager 5 350.42 14 Zach Hughes / Casey Harris 4 347.02 15 Chris Taylor / Mike Cameron 5 445.84 16 Scott Spindle / John Goergen 4 438.55 17 Jason Buller / Candy Buller 4 394.94 18 Chris Horton / Don Knecht 4 378.06 19 Bruce Anderson / Tom Groves 4 280.90 20 Michael Zmolik / Rudy Crane 4 279.73 21 Cody Clark / Jonathon Lancaster 3 271.26 22 Timothy Edwards / Chris Edwards 3 212.83 23 Matt Mayfield / Debbie Kemp 3 304.85 24 John McBee / Thomas Zeenah 3 265.23 25 Boyd Blair / Boyd Blair, Jr. 3 181 (Message edited by tomc on January 5, 2011) Thanking the Lord, all day long --- tomc | ||
| Picklefork
Bluegill Username: Picklefork Post Number: 284 Registered: 12-2009 Rating: N/A |
Tom has a good point.....if off limits indeed hurts the trail than there should be an off limits......just because a few regulars are affected adversely should'nt stand in the way...And I have been one in the past that has been vocal about this issue on the side of no off limits...truth is I rarely get to prefish unless I'm fishing a working mans during the week. Very selfish on my part...I digress. I might ad that Media has no off limits with a paid entry by thusday...and it does'nt seem to effect their entrys........... (Message edited by picklefork on January 5, 2011) | ||
| Redskeeter
Moderator Username: Redskeeter Post Number: 1218 Registered: 8-2007 Rating: N/A |
Only 14 of the 25 teams fished all 5-events. We don't ever get to """pre-fish""" it's show up, suit up, and get it on.. Kay and I are fishing 3-champs events this year in the Northern division.. 1-on fork, 2- on Ray Bob. Media---some all the big opens, legends,skeeter,Mickey-D's, berkley etc... As you can see I'm not making any commitments to a single full time trail.. Our lives have changed with grandbabies and kids living back at home... KBD Fishing |
